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Ambassador Roya Rahmani spoke live as a virtual panelist in the Chicago Council on Global Affairs’s “Gender and Humanitarian Dimensions of #COVID_19”....
Good afternoon and welcome my name is Caitlin Jones and I am the women peace and security Fellow and ACLS Melon public fellow at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. Thank you so much for joining us for this afternoon's program, gender and two Manitoba dimensions of Covered 19 in the interest of public health and in accordance with CDC guidelines, the Council has made the decision decision to to cancel cancel all all all in-person. in-person in-person in-person public public public events events events events through through. through through at at at least least least June. June June fifth. fifth as an. we. Committed as ever to being the Organization in Chicago that brings you relevant and timely conversations on what's happening in the world and why it matters even if those conversations have to take place virtually for now, please check out our website and social media pages for updates as well as for new podcast events, blogs and research. 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Positions or views of the Council and now for today's discussion while the Corona virus pandemic is dramatically affecting people's lives everywhere, it is expected to most significantly impact the two billion people living in conflict affected effective regions as well as those intensely populated refugee settlements. Moreover, women children and other vulnerable groups in all settings are disproportionately affected. Why is it critical to? Use a gender responsive approach to addressing the pandemic. How does that alleviate the unique burdens women and other Brown or vulnerable groups fair and how can these responses help all people? We're going to address these questions over the next 40 - five minutes shortly we will incorporate your questions so be sure to turn your browsers to see Steve GA dot live to submit. Submit a question of your own or vote for questions that you like It is my great pleasure to introduce our speakers today. We have Jocelyn Kelly, who is the founding director of Harvard Humanitarian Initiative Program on gender rights and resilience, and as a fellow where she designs an implement projects to examine issues relating to gender peace and security and fragile States. Also joining us is Dory McCarter. She is the CEO of Why CPA Metropolitan Chicago, a social enterprise focused on eliminating racism and empowering women, and finally we. Ambassador Royal Romani She is the first woman ambassador out of Afghanistan to the United States. She's also the designated Non-resident ambassador to Argentina, Mexico, The Dominican Republic and Columbia. She's known for being a powerful advocate for women's rights democracy, promotion and sustainable peace in Afghanistan. Thank you all for being here and welcome to our conversation really looking forward to talking about this with all of you. I think this will be a really great conversation, especially highlighting the kind of connections between gendered gender informed policy responses at the local and global levels So to get the conversation started. I'd really love to hear from you all on how our women experiencing the effects of the Corona virus differently from men and how are women of color affected differently differently from from White White women. women. So So So we we we know know know Indiana Indiana Indiana Indiana the the. the the US, US, US, for For For example, example. example, example, there's there's there's been been been tremendous tremendous. tremendous evidence evidence. of. Of color women who are parts of indigenous populations experiencing this pandemic very differently. So I'd love to hear from you all kind of more on those gender dimensions of the pandemic. Thank you, Kaitlyn and and I'll I'll start us off it's interesting to have with this panel such a wide range of representation compared to local and global cuz I don't know that the women of color, particularly given that the majority of the world quite frankly is comprised of black and Brown women. But when you think about that specific dimension here in the United States and what we're seeing in Chicago is that they're absolutely is a difference as we think about the the issues that we. Face and often the fact of the matter is that women of color experience those issues even more severely. so whether we're talking about on the financial and economic spectrum recognizing that you know equal pay here in the US we talk about is is definitely something that we see are impacted by or the impacts are are more severe by race. that's an issue that if you look at the jobs in particular that when we shut down the Those jobs are also impacting the women of color that are in those jobs even more tremendously. So when you talk about every level of disparity, we see that this issue is of course is impacting women of color and having harsher consequences I know specifically in Chicago that the data has come out that folks that have experienced the Corona virus and and Have unfortunately passed on that that that occurrence in black communities are so much higher. so it's it's it's interesting. I know we should be surprised that if we had experiences and before the virus clearly the impact of the virus has really exacerbated every single disparity that we've seen across a broad spectrum. Just a build on Dory's point, I think it's so important when you think about a crisis situation or you know here in the US that anytime you have a problem like this, it's really layered upon all of the existing fault lines of inequity poverty and injustice that we're already existing in any given situation. We also know that across the globe, an estimated 60 to 80 percent of caregiving is done by women, so women often carry the burden of not only a household chores provision provision of of food food childcare childcare childcare homeschooling, homeschooling, homeschooling. but but they're also carrying. For those who are elderly or those who are ill, including those from Kobe, so many of the effects of code that we see, especially the social effects fall squarely on the shoulders of women and I think for minority populations, there's often restricted access to health care and understandable mistrust of the health care systems that have often let them down in the past and so all of that can really affect health care seeking and outcomes. We also see in some of the very poorest settings where the Harbor Humanitarian Initiative works that women are the first in the household to take on the burden. That falls on the family, so they'll start limiting food start trying to work harder and that the practices that they undertake can unfortunately have long-term negative impacts, not only for the women themselves, but for girl children who often carry those burdens as well. I also wanted to notice since we're talking about the gender impacts. there is some evidence that men may be biologically more at risk of contracting and dying from covered, but we also know that care seeking behaviors are. For men and women and so that you know reminds us that their behavioral layers upon biological layers when we look at something like this. so I just wanna know that this might be a really unique chance in the world to try to respond and a gender sensitive way to to one of the grandest pandemics that we've all faced and that it highlights the importance of using a gender lens to understand these responses. Thank you for organizing this panel and it's great to be with wonderful fellows in this panel. I also would like to echo what the other panelists said the women are going to be suffering a lot more because they always do in the situation of crisis the magnitude of the impact on women is always multiplied whether it is a situation of conflict like the one that I you're experiencing back in at home in Afghanistan or It is being accessible by the economic and the pendant and vice versa so there they are both pushing this one another forward and the impact on women is a greater in multiple ways in the in the ways that that was already discussed whether it is losing their jobs because most women and we know now over 70 percent of women globally or engaged in informal labor rather than the formal. They are the first to lose their job. They have the least of the savings and they are the one that also are engaged in care for the family as as was mentioned, which is obviously unpaid work so they earn less. they saved less and they are the most the the first ones to be laid up. so that's that's the first effect economically as they they're husbands and partners partners or or or whoever whoever whoever is is is is losing losing losing losing the the the the job. job job job job in in in in the the the the. household. household. household again and. That add additional burden and how they are carrying out on the the relationship and then exposes them even for additional violence within the household. in addition to that, the burden of caregiving has been magnified because all the childrens are out of school. so there were women and right away. I have an additional job to do in in addition addition to to everything everything everything that that that they they they they have have have have been been been been doing doing doing doing before before before before before. again in the. sector as Jaslin was talking about the behaviours but then also as there is that are the showing that men or more acceptable to their to their virus there is tendencies of moving funds including funds that her specifically for product issues ah on my concentration of them of of the the attention attention attention to to to combat combat combat nineteen nineteen so so women women or In so many different ways and our impacted a lot more than the than men are and in every place and in situation of complex where movement there's already restricted where access is restricted where they are already facing a huge range of challenges This gets the impact of this gets multiplied and I again I call call what what was was being being said said here here that that this this. is once again. Signaling and it is the time to consider these issues to consider the importance of the fair pay equal pay maternity leaves set leave and incorporate more gender sensitive policies and think about them because as they are affected more at the same time, they are the one that will be playing the most important important role role for for recovery recovery recovery as as as well. well. well. well. Yeah. Now Yeah. we. Yeah. Yeah. Thank Thank you you all all. for your thoughts. specially acknowledging as you also clearly laid out that the issue of the pandemic is exhausted dating pre existing problems ah whether it be healthcare availability um or economic stability and all of that and all these things and one thing you also touched on issues of security ah and violence and so it's like to hear from you a little bit more on that point so how has covered nineteen intacted women safe And security at home, what kinds of consequences are receiving locally, as well as as well as globally. so Dory I'd love to hear from you on kind of what's happened. What you're seeing in Chicago with respect to safety and security at home for women at this time, sure in Chicago, the White CCA operates the rape crisis lines across the metropolitan area and surprisingly our costs have declined. And what we recognize about that, we all know that it hasn't been because all of the sudden the incidences have been reduced. We know that women are not safe so they they cannot call us. we're also not being allowed to respond our advocates. Cannot go into hospitals right now to respond when women do present their so what we're seeing is that not only do you have the issue of we know the currencies currencies are are still still happening happening happening since since since most most most sexual sexual assaults. assaults. Our folks that they know, so we know that they are back still happening, but we know that women are not able to access the the appropriate interventions to make sure that they're safe and get the support they need, which really is going to be concerning. I think and will need to take a look at what happens as a result of this because of that entries trauma and the impact of that stress and trauma that's going to show up in our system. for more time. It's not just going to be once once we we go go back back to to normal normal normal. everything everything everything is is is okay okay. okay. These these. These women women will will still still have have to. to address. Trauma and as our panelists, which I'm so grateful for these amazing panelists have also beautifully articulated. you now have put another layer of stress and trauma. in addition to everything else that that my fellow panelists have already described and that's gonna be that's that's going to have a longer term impact. that I think we can ever really imagine right now. the other piece I wanna point out about sort of a stress and trauma and the lack of the ability to deal with that is that I'm also Concerned about what other predatory practices are going to happen as we know that people's resiliency is breaking down right now and we don't know what that's gonna look like either and as my panelist described earlier when you have such a vulnerable populations and layer on layer of challenges, there's this is gonna be so many ramifications that we have to deal with and if we do these in and I would say more gender and formed way. I absolutely also believe we can. Common but we have to start thinking about them now and and choosing quite frankly not to be ignorant of them. Yeah. Thank you to our especially kind of pointing out the fact that these are questions that we're going to have to continue to address going forward, especially as new kinds of problems and as you said predatory practices emerge. so Jocelyn I'd love to hear from you in terms of what sorts of trends and responses you're seeing globally with respect to safety and security. Yeah, I think that was such a. Kind of powerful summary from Dory and a reminder that even during these difficult times, their heroic workers not only in health care, but in mental health and rape crisis centers who are kind of carrying the torch and helping those who are most isolated to make it through this time. So one of the you know promising things that I think we've seen in this epidemic is that we've seen a lot of recognition of the shadow epidemic of domestic violence globally, including in the US, as was just really. Highlighted and we know that rates of violence against women and violence against children are increasing while we actually often see reporting, go down and we might see that because provide exacerbates all of those Merriam risk factors that can exacerbate violence within the home, including you know confinement, social isolation, emotional and financial stress and weak institutional responses and a lack of opportunity to kind of seek help outside the home. I was really privileged to actually speak to a lot of women in Italy during the time of isolation there and particularly women upstanders just like Dory who are running violence centers and help centers and it was extraordinarily inspiring because they were taking this as an opportunity to say we look reporting has gone down, but we know that the problem is still there and they leverage these incredible tools of social media and websites to produce videos, saying we know that this has happened. You are not alone and we are here for you and what we've seen across the globe, including in the US, is these really creative, thoughtful brave ways that women are finding ways to connect with each other, so that might be saying we understand you can't make a call because you're oysters with a perpetrator in your home and he can hear you making a telephone call so they set up. what's up or Facebook book messaging groups that look very innocuous where you can seek support or report violence. We also say. Are hearing pharmacies and France, or allowing women to report abuse using code words and their pop-up counseling centers and supermarkets and things like that. So I think this is a moment to kind of recognize the ingenuity and bravery of all of our first responders acknowledging the shadow pandemic as it comes up at the same time as Coven. Yeah, Thank you for that Jocelyn especially thinking about how those kind of new innovations in in reporting reporting reporting are are are things things things that that that is is is story. story story suggested suggested like like could could. inform reports. And resources available to women in the future right once the pandemic is done so investor ambassador Romani I'd love to hear from you in terms of women's safety and security in Afghanistan at this at this time, thank you well first. Let me share this piece of data that globally. So far, we know that since the outbreak of this pandemic the violence against women women globally globally globally has has has approximately approximately approximately approximately based based. based based based on on on on reported reported reported. reported cases cases cases. has has increased increased 20. 20. Euh Is doing those the shelters are not functioning. The the hotlines are not operating and then at the same time there is another level that people that right now, it's not at the top of the priorities and that is that how much trauma and distress it can cause within the household. those women that now are are living living and and and and and and proclaimed proclaimed proclaimed proximity, proximity proximity, but with. but they're they're they're. they're abusers. And then what would be the long-term impact of it? So it's it has a very like it's it goes like a vicious cycle because one impact of other and accessories one another because, in fact, because my concern is that as we are going to because of the very prominent level of poverty and the conflict that still is on going, it it is is still still still existed existed existed at at at honestly. Honest Honest Honest on on. on the the the impact impact impact of. of of it it in in the the long. long term would be. the than. the women women who who are are being. being abused. And are abused mothers in the future that has a security impact for my country for the region and globally. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for that and back to the Romani really helpful to think about these consequences as you said, specifically in a company, a conflict setting so all of you have alluded to the economic consequences and the burden of unpaid later on women at this time, I'd really like to hear a little more from Dori. Thinking about in the context of Chicago, so how have we seen you seen in Chicago in your work? the burdens of unpaid work shifting for women and what policy responses do we need you know in Chicago in particular and even more broadly to address the augmentation of the as we know these preexisting burdens and in equities for women, I think that Ambassador Armani spoke about this earlier too, in terms of just the high level of participation of women in the informal. And what we're seeing is that women are doing unpaid work participating around child care and other domestic services that that which which always is so striking to me. While we're doing unpaid work, we're still adding so much value to the economy and everything and everything that we're doing, which is not receiving that value right. and so I think that you know just like everything to some degree. I feel like a broken broken record. record. of of course course course that's that's that's exacerbated exacerbated exacerbated exacerbated because because because. because even even even even as as as as you. you you you as as as was was was. demonstrated demonstrated by. by our our. A little visitor that we had that there is so much caregiving even necessary, given that schools are closed so to the degree that women were already doing this unpaid work now the the volume of that has increased and what we're also concerned about in Chicago, too, is that if we're not focused on how do we support our care providers that now those folks are clearly paid that we're gonna see sort of of a a destination destination destination of of of an an an an entire entire entire entire industry industry industry industry. that that. that we we need need to to support support. women to go. You work and so just that that the the broad scope I think of this pandemic if we don't think about it from a gender perspective and understand all the the ways that women participated in the economy, whether seen or unseen, we have to spell address it. so it gives you know some conversation around minimum economic levels and payments that we may need to think about from a society perspective perspective as as well well because because we we know know that that this this unpaid unpaid. labor. Is there so what are sort of the basic income supports that we we may need to start thinking about from a society perspective as well. So again, I just think it's like layer after layer. Of course we've been so it's it's complicated, but it's not impossible. it just takes thinking about it and being informed and recognizing that it's fair and and think about then what policies do we need to specifically address it and I I have to say even though as we all you know not only in the United. At the state of politics around the world continues to be in plugs or but what we what was remarkable is that we saw such a quick action from our legislators and getting some response to stimulus someone if they could do that in four days, what else can we do? and so I think that it really will require us to continue to think about how do we address things and address them quickly so that we can not watch the destination of an entire group of people. Pandemic continues Yeah. Thank you Doris. It is interesting to think about how such quick responses can happen for certain things right. So now we know it's possible and hopefully that will help get more done in the future. so I'd like to move to Jocelyn now to hear a little bit more about your work and especially what you're hearing from people in your network, you're communicating with so as the virus, especially in the past week or two has continued to spread to countries countries in in the the global global South. South. South. What What what What kinds kinds kinds kinds of of of of gender gender gender gender and effects effects effects can can can we we we anticipate anticipate anticipate? in? in those? What are the additional challenges of addressing Covid- 19 in those settings and in conflict settings as ambassador Romani was speaking about before and also kind of what policy responses are needed in light of those in light of those challenges. Yeah. Thank you so much so I'm privileged to work as a public health researcher and human rights advocate and a lot of conflict zones around the world and have been really fortunate to stay deeply connected with all of our incredible collaborators. And colleagues in many places in Africa and Latin America, as a reminder to the folks joining us today, there are over a hundred and 20 - six million people in need of humanitarian assistance across the globe and of the hundred and 80 - five countries Reporting Cobo did 70 - nine of those are refugees hosting countries. so as we've talked about a lot today as with any crisis, we see that the same issue or the same disease can have very different effects on different populations and with any Lights and exacerbates all of those existing inequalities and nowhere is this gonna be more clear than for refugee populations and for those living in conflict affected countries, you know what we're hearing from our local collaborators is that many places in the midst of armed conflict have seen substantial damage to their health care infrastructure and so the capacity did to detect test and treat cases of code is nearly nonexistent refugee settings in particular are characterized by this extreme crowding crowding and and often often access access to to sanitation. sanitation services. I Hand washing, which is what we're advocating for really actively is limited or almost non existent and a reminder here. it's important to remember that many refugees and many displaced and vulnerable populations don't even live in formal refugee camps, but they actually live in informal settlements like fellas are Super songs like we see outside of Nairobi and they face those same issues, but sometimes even outside of the per view of international attention so as a public health person, you know and as a. on the call knows one of the most important dimensions of infectious disease is actually human behavior change so in fragile States, the governments are often not seen as reliable or trustworthy brokers of information, and we've seen a huge amount of confusion from the colleagues that we talk to in places like DRC or Central African Republic that they really struggle to get accurate and timely information about Covid- 19 and what you see in those settings is that misinformation and rumors can spread like wildfire. Those leads are really poor health outcomes, but also to Stigmatization and finger pointing against those suspected of having covered and even more sadly, you know that often goes is directed specifically against health care providers who are kind of on the front lines that fight so in the Bowl of responses in Africa, we saw that poor communication and ineffective trust building led to these horrific and severe attacks against health care workers, and it should never ever be the case of those putting themselves in their lives on the line in health care capacity. Also have to face the risk of personal violence and so this is an opportunity. I think for the global community to come together and say let's get that accurate timely information to the folks that need it. Let's walk side by side with the partners who have been such incredible steadfast collaborators of ours and we're no longer able to meet in person, but this is a moment to kind of leverage, technology and places that might not be as used to leveraging technology to get the right information to the right places and I think most importantly and I'd love to hear Ambassador Romani speak to this. I think this is a time to act. And celebrate and empower all of the local peace builders and the local champions who are there building trust building peace in their communities to take this fight forward in their daily activities are often unrecognized. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that Jocelyn and it is interesting to think about you know, increasing marginalization that certain people are experiencing at this time, especially and as you said, fragile, fragile States but it's also a time to think about how how can can we we empower empower empower people people people working working working in in in these these these these contacts contacts? contacts contacts? to? to to cultivate? cultivate A more stable and peaceful kind of environment for everyone even in this miss endemics so we kind of building on that, like to move to Ambassador Romani to hear about kind of unique challenges facing Afghanistan during this pandemic, especially the unique vulnerabilities that women are facing and it also love to hear you talk a little bit about how at the Times three campaign is kind of working to support these support these populations and empower them kind of as as Jocelyn was mentioning. so I'll turn it over to you and back to the money. Thank you, I thank you for the question about the unique challenges of Afghanistan faces I would like to start by saying that all the problems that we have had has not gone away and then there is this added layer to it. so the at the top of everything is insecurity that is inflected inflected inflected you you you to to to this this this ongoing ongoing ongoing conflict conflict conflict. and and Taliban. One of the groups that they still have not agreed to a cease fire, so there is an act of conflict going on on face of this today, I heard a piece of news that that somebody was killed that people were were not attempting to go closer to the to to the disease because they were not sure whether we're kinda afraid maybe maybe this person has been also infected with the chronic virus. So this this this is is the the magnitude magnitude magnitude of of of a a a problem, problem, problem, especially especially. especially especially in in in in the. the the the situation situation situation of of of the. the the conflict. conflict on. of. That we have an inflow of the refugees there is millions of and hundreds of thousands of African refugees living both in Iran and Pakistan and during this pandemic, they have been migrating back. There has been over tens of thousand a days migrating back from coming back to Afghanistan from Iran crossing crossing the the border border border without without without having having having. having all all all all the. the the the necessary necessary necessary resources. resources resources to. to to. them them them to. to to to to quarantine. quarantine. because of the huge numbers that are flowing into the country which of course as a s they are travelling and those who are in fact that they are spreading the disease ah they poverty of courses another huge problem ah over fifty percent of our population or living and the poverty lines what that means is that they are ah they most of them are relying on the wages in order to make sure they have food on the table in the evening and the impacts of that is going to be very long term so in immediate term they don't have food in the long term ah this this this translated so many different other ways ah including violence and his security and ah violence extremism um of an another challenge that we have been faced with is that the urgency And the pressure being asserted to move on we already were going through so many transitions in terms of to meet the political deadlines and and in order to to move things forward, whether it is through the peace process and then also our agendas on how fast we can get, which is, of course our very prominent prominent desire desire to to to to become become more more economically. economically self-sufficient. But all of these forces and pushes coming at the same time where this other layer of pandemic is really being added is is really really difficult tasks and of course, for all those reasons women or even more susceptible to violence to lack of access to food health care care resources. resources additional. additional burden of her. Care black of a mobility is specially in the areas that that there is still an active conflict going on. so it's it's really magnified in so many ways and there is also a lack of access to the necessary resources to combat corporate 19 whether because it have honest on social distancing is so hard because of the the poverty a lot of of people people has has to to continuously continuously rely rely on on there there as as many. many Organization that. Trying to provide the soaps and masks and gloves so that, at least people are more protected as they are going about their daily businesses but then there's a shortage of that shortage of supplies for the hospitals given again the magnitude of the problem and and how it it spreads and moves between the countries in the region as I'm looking at the. Magnitude of the problem and to be honest, what what makes me personally lose sleep at night? is that is the level of poverty? I keep thinking about the families who cannot feed their children and I hear their voices every day through the news that I'm coming out. I'm looking for a job. I'm waiting here as a labor. Nobody is hiring me. I go home. I I have have a a a hungry hungry hungry family family family to to to feed feed feed what what what do do do I I I do? do do? so. Of course, what the contribute to additional level of crimes, violence and whatnot in the immediate term and a long term with a child that that people are facing so as a result of that, we have initiated the time Street campaign, which basically the purpose of it is first and foremost is that that the face of this global pandemic all countries are absorbed to their own problems. Ship with the families that are most vulnerable and mostly innate to lift them up because this is the time that as much as we are grateful for the support that we continue to have been receiving and we are receiving during the pandemic two and it's but we need to also do our part and share so in 15 to step this campaign would reach 15 million people so that's that's our plea to just take charge and sponsor families families when when we we we can can, can, there there there there is. is is is a a a good good good good number. number number number of of of people people people who who. who can can spare spare. 100. That would rescue one family from misery from going hungry at night so that's that's the purpose of the campaign and we are hoping that we will have a lot of people join and and and the purpose of it is just care and empathy and taking charge for a prosperous society. Thank you ambassador Romani. I think it's especially helpful to hear of course about the unique challenges that Afghanistan is facing right now, especially in the Middle of its piece process but also about. Three campaign and really, it's a something that everybody can participate in right to support fellow Afghanistan Afghanistan people at this at this moment in time so I'm gonna shift now that actually ties into one of the questions that we received from our audience members. So we had a few people ask about what something that the general public can do right now to support people that are parts of these vulnerable groups. So now we heard about the times three campaign from Ambassador Romani as one potential Avenue. I wonder if Jocelyn and Dory, if you have thoughts on things that kind of people in our audience, general public might be able to do to support the most vulnerable at this time. Yeah, and I think what better kind of exhibition of how much care and empathy is happening right now in the world, then to have that be the first question from the audience. I think it's so powerful and so touching I would say you know there's extraordinary NGOs that you phenomenal jobs have really empowering and working with local populations who are after all the experts in their own issues and their experts and So, I certainly encourage you to look at you and agencies doing a lot of work with more formalized refugee populations. The International Rescue Committee is an extraordinary area that we've had the privilege of working with and I really respect how much they listen to and work with local populations who are affected by the conflict and I think this is also a moment for all of us to think about how locally we can really sit in our our own own communities communities communities and and and do do do the the the best best best job job job that that that we we we can can can. to to be be good. good neighbors. Family members and friends and caregivers in this moment so those are some thoughts. I have on the international scale and I know you do incredible work in Chicago. so I'd love to hear your thoughts as well. Sure thank you. I think Digital to everything, Jocelyn said and again ambassador Romani. What you all are doing. I think it's really important as well because the fact that the matter is people need direct support and resources right now. So I know in Chicago locally, there's a number of campaigns. That that are combining resources to do a broad covered response across Chicago. We have already as the CCA been a recipient of some of those funds, and our goal is to get those funds directly into the hands of community members so that we could help pay rent help by diapers utility all of the the basic needs that people are are needing as well as I also think it's important that we need to continue to think about how we engage politically and ensuring that we. Yes, do the senses that's going on in in the US right now, we have to continue to do that because as we look at how we come on the other side of this allocation of resources are going to matter. so so it's also yes it's helping your neighbor, but it's also really understanding and getting engaged in the civic process. We all have mentioned how many of these disparities occurred before covered and I think think the the fact fact that that that these these these disparities disparities disparities should should should also also also be be be considered considered considered. a a crisis. crisis. It's something that we can support at the local level to make sure that our legislators are elected officials. our politicians are paying attention to these issues because when you do have this type of crisis happening of course, as we've all mentioned, those things increase. so I say support your local organizations and international organizations that we heard as well as continue to stay civically involved because it matters. I think there's just like clapping, I don't know I think there's a blog applause all around for everybody on that on that friend staying involved politically very important. so thank you, Jocelyn and Jerry for those for those reflections. So you know we have about two minutes left so I'm going to shift and I'd like to hear briefly from each of you my response to the question. What do you think is a key lesson that we should all learn from what's happening right now, especially from a gender perspective. So what like one key key thing? thing? do do you you think think? keylogger? Do you think people can learn from what's happening right now on takeaway as they think about how to be engaged politically and how to care and empathize with the people around them so just kinda briefly, I guess we could start off with the order. We've been doing so maybe Dory. If you wanna start off, then we'll go to Jocelyn an ambassador Romani Sure, I think the the left and learning that too to repeat everything I just said. but I do think that the lesson learn is that we do need to pay attention to these issues now and from a gender perspective, we've been all beating the same drum around what's wrong and what has happened from a gender disparity perspective. we need to address these. Because now is the time we have to rebuild, we need to build in a gender inform way. Yeah, I love that I think this is you know times of crisis can also be times of transformation and in some ways, this is one of the most global and universal experiences that we're all feeling and granted it's in different ways, but this is probably the closest thing to a universal experience. I could think of off the top of my head and this is a moment to remember how we're all connected how we can all empathize and care and listen a bit more and how we can take what I think is the world's first chance to do a truly gender sensitive approach to response and carry that forward all in our own ways. An ambassador Romani your key lesson. Oh sure if I have a three words, I would say number one is that we we we should recognize how uncertain everything is and things are changing faster than we possibly have been able to imagine it so therefore, we do do not not have have have 100 100 100 100 years years years years. years to to to to wait wait wait wait for for for for. the the the gender gender gender. equality. To materialize, this is the prediction based on all the data being gathered so 100 years we do not have 100 years to wait for their equality to materialize. Number two is they issue of care and and and how women should be incorporated in in all levels in a way that and that's meaningful be. Other than that the idea of robustness would not be there, we need not only efficient systems we need a robust systems and women are very good in making sure that that would happen and number three is that our dependency as we are so apart right now and this is what we are experiencing, but it should also also bring bring about about about that that that message message. message that that we we are. are still very. dependent on one another and we must ah act ah and make policies based on that yeah there's thank you all for your affections and think they beautifully capture kind of how urgent the current situation is but also our interconnectedness we can really make transformative change there all of the avenues that you touched on I am so grateful for this conversation I know I learn so much from all of you so I just extend a special thank you to do Into ambassador Romani for being here and I know I speak on behalf of not only myself, but also the Council and everybody in our audience today, as well as people who would be watching this later at other at other times. so thank you all and also thank you to our audience. Everybody who's been a part of this conversation remotely. Thank you for participation as a quick reminder, this recording will be made available via CGA social media so I encourage people to share also come back. This conversation, as we can continue to think about kind of the gender dimensions of everything that's happening and again. thank you all. I wish everyone a good day and thank you for this wonderful conversation.

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